In this episode I am joined by Dwain Scott and Van Shumake. We discuss what it takes to shift ones mindset when it comes to work. As well as the sad truth known as layoffs and what one may go through when faced with the unthinkable.
- Dwain and Van introduce themselves
- Having a family support you in the business
- Step # 1 to leaving the 9 to 5
- Van’s lay off experience
- Van’s piece of advice for someone who just went through lay off
- Dwain’s lay off experience
- Audio book or book recommendations
- Importance of reading and learning
Websites Mentioned/Where You Can Find Today’s Guest:
Welcome to Smart Tradesmen, the show dedicated to bringing entrepreneurship into small business. Whether you are a seasoned business owner or just starting out, it is our mission to help you design a business that works for you—and not the other way around. Now, here’s your host: Daniel Eric Bowling.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Hi, welcome to today’s episode of Smart Tradesmen, I am your host to Daniel Eric Bowling, very excited to be here today, and I do have something I want to talk to you about before I get into today’s conversation. Today I have a surprise for you, with a three-way call, I should say, it’s a three way call, the first one that I have done, so enjoy today’s episode. But first I am looking for 10 business owners who are ready to take their businesses to the next level, there’s a few criteria that you must meet so we’ll be doing extensive interviews to make sure that you’re a good fit for the group. What I am looking for is business owners who have a service-based business are ready to take the next step and get over the plateau that you’re on. So real quick I am going to go over just a few key things that we will be addressing over the next few months once we fill the group. We are going to be addressing growing your customer base getting more work through the doors, a common problem that we all have and we are going to figure it out, with more work comes the managing of that work and managing of the new employees and your growing business we are going to tackle the leadership issues and figure out a system that works in managing your employees. Together we’ll come up with a game plan for the future of your business and we’ll have accountability sessions to hold you to that plan, because it really gets hard when you start implementing, and it’s easy to fall off that bandwagon so we’ll come up with a plan, help you stick to it and help you align your business with the life that you want to live. The first step is defining what that life is so that you know what direction to take your business in. So, if you or anyone you know is the business owner of a service-based business looking to just crush it this next year then email me directly at firstname.lastname@example.org or call or text me at 5136334727, I definitely prefer text but if you call be sure to leave a message and I will get back to you. Again if you know of somebody who needs this do them a favor and hook them up with me and I’ll take it from there. So enjoy today’s three-way call. I just got a couple good old boys on the line with me, both of which are trying to master leaving their 9-to-5 and what they like to call shifting work so I got Dwain and Van with me and I am going to let them introduce themselves. Dwain you go ahead and start.
[Dwain Scott] Alright well you know I first want to say, last time we really, really, talked when you were on our show shifting work; there were some comments about my southern accent and since then you have moved down south and I just want to say that Van’s outnumbered now.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] That’s true.
[Dwain Scott] But, sorry I have a fly in here that is flying in my eye but I just want to make sure that everybody understands its two Southerners and a guy from Detroit, so you know, it’s a bit different on this side of the mic; being on your show, which is an honor, but you know we are just a couple crazy guys that have a podcast that want to help people find freedom from their blue-collar job and do something different and that’s pretty much what we are all about you know and I live in North Mississippi just south of Memphis, work a full-time job in a blue-collar industry and you know, want to help other people, and doing stuff on the side, seeing stuff from a different point of view, thanks to shows like this thanks to podcasting, thanks to blogging, and so much other technology that’s amazing these days that we have access to that three guys in three different states can sit here and talk. Van why don’t you tell them about you?
[Van Shumake] Well I am the guy from Detroit who is the sensible one on the Shifting Work podcast without the accent, but no really, like Dwain said the technology has allowed us to do these things and spread the word, we created this podcast, The Shifting Work podcast and had Daniel on it and everything because it was something that I saw myself wanting to do through other people in terms of always wanting to do something else besides the 9-to-5 or getting over the 9-to-5 grind but you did not know how to do it, so there is that ability and that medium that you can talk to other people around the world basically and help you get out of that, versus sitting at home around your neighborhood, around people that you’re always around that kind of want you to stay in that same grind so that’s where we’re at with that.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Very good, and I think that you both left a couple things out, Dwain you are a father and a husband, which I know from following you on social media seeing your beautiful pictures posted all the time.
[Dwain Scott] Yes, and that wasn’t left out intentionally, I figured we would get around to it but yes you know I have two beautiful kids beautiful wife I married up for sure, I am a lucky man, that I was blessed with a wonderful wife that is a great mother and my two kids are absolutely amazing, I am so proud that I do post a lot about them and pictures of them on instagram. I also post my dinners on a regular basis because I know that is what social media was started for so I keep that going but yes I have a great family, two wonderful kids three and five Regan and Roscoe they are absolutely awesome, they are a handful. My wife is amazing she puts up with me and my smart Alec ways and it’s an amazing world to live in and do what we do and have a support system like I have the kids and the wife all are very supportive of actions that I’ve taken over the last couple years to better myself and to help others.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Yes, didn’t want to skip over it because here at Smart Tradesmen we are real people, and our families, especially in such small businesses, when you do leave a 9-to-5 job, when you may be a one person shop, your families play a big role and Van you’re also a husband and I would say see you’re a wannabe comedian and a dog owner to some three dog that you would do anything for, it sounds like.
[Van Shumake] Definitely, definitely, yes I am married. I married up but to this day I still tell my wife that she tricked me because I thought I was marrying into money and I’ve still yet to see it. I do love my dogs are my dogs are my life I don’t have kids and some say I’m a wannabe comedian. My wife says I am unfiltered because brain mouth nothing filters out. I’ll say it even on my social media, that is my stage I love to get people to laugh, I love to do that and I am sure are the comedian part Dwain knows about it I mean I could bring it in right here. I did run naked in high school and made the newspapers, so there that is again and are you know that’s just me.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] I want to thank you right now, you also are veteran. You served your country, so thank you for that.
[Van Shumake] Yes, yes, I miss it every day that is definitely a part in my life that I cherish, a great honor and now, I kind of live through my nephew that is doing it now you know with the 82nd airborne in the Army although he went in the Army and not the Marine Corps like me, so still I could say he is below me service wise but you know he’s there.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] He’s there but I don’t want to get involved in the whole war between the branches nope
[Dwain Scott] Otherwise the show is going to be like four hours, I can go ahead and warn you now
[Daniel Eric Bowling] He would go from not having his mic plugged in to not letting us talk
[Van Shumake] Yup, but to jump in real quick with what you were saying about what your podcast is doing about the small business and the family that’s right on point you know I come home and I run things by my wife and some of the stuff that I do between the podcast between graphic design the different things that I do she’s always a part of it, you always have to have someone to help you someone to bounce ideas off of so it’s always huge to have your spouse in your corner because if you can’t do it all alone you know you’re not an island, man, you need that support
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And it’s a matter of learning how to communicate and not dumping on them but still having them there in your corner
[Dwain Scott] Yes I think you’re dead on with that, definitely, there are multiple ways of communicating , oh my gosh this fly is driving me nuts, I apologize, but there are so many ways of communicating that I like the analogy of not just dumping, one thing that I do and, it may not be considered communication in a sense but I unload the dishwasher before I come in and record a podcast and that’s when I know that I’ve covered my own, that I am doing something in the house so that I get my time, but me and my wife we talk about everything so that that’s an awesome thing.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And your goal is to help people leave the 9-to-5, and I think that one huge aspect of that would be aligning the wants and the goals and even the plan of how to get there with the family that surrounds you and supports you, would you agree with that?
[Dwain Scott] I would definitely agree with that it’s, mandatory, the people that support you, you, have to have them around you have to have a support system no matter what you’re doing right so having a good supportive family mean is mandatory. And I’m going to get Van to talk for a minute because I am going to get a fly swat and killing this thing.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Yeah put right on the spot, Van, talk!
[Van Shumake] Yup
[Dwain Scott] Sorry about that Van
[Van Shumake] If you’ve heard our podcast we always run into a few things, in my area for example I have a train even though it’s like a mile away it’ll pop up during our podcast but yeah, you definitely have to have someone in your corner especially a spouse on-board someone to help you someone to have ideas because I mean you don’t want it to turn selfish that you know I am doing this I am doing that and not having anything there because it could, I mean basically it is like marriage, it is teamwork and that definitely helps.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] So someone could say it should be step number one discuss with your spouse before you make the plan to leave your job.
[Van Shumake] Definitely, definitely, we were talking about the unemployment thing before you started the podcast, last year actually, April 1, April Fools’ Day of all times, I had to call my wife and tell her you I was laid off, that talk on the way home, that whole ordeal but yeah I mean that’s a different circumstance, just to see someone come home I couldn’t picture it because my wife would probably drive me back to work like if I came home and said hey I quit my job and I am going to start a T-shirt business online she’d probably drive me back to work and make me do my 9-to-5 she’d probably sit in the parking lot until I punched in and punched out so yeah I mean it’s definitely huge, communication.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] This is very interesting to me because I am fortunate enough to have a skill set that is very marketable and I don’t lack for work, when it comes to upholstery being a dying trade I was able to leave my company and just always have work, and then I have also never faced a layoff so tell me about that day, what happened?
[Van Shumake] Well with me, it was a unique situation, because I was at the company for about seven years and hated it but it was great money and it was one of those things that I wanted to leave but every Friday I got a nice check so it kept me coming back. I mean it’s that typical what a 9-to-5 is, it keeps you wanting to come back from more because of that money
[Daniel Eric Bowling] The golden handcuffs.
[Van Shumake] Oh yeah definitely, so I sort of took the leap. My brother-in-law down in North Carolina he wanted me to come down there to help him so I up and left. The wife and I had a plan that I would go down there for six months, start working and, get on our feet and she would come down there. But when I went down there for six months it really didn’t work the way I wanted it to so there was the fear factor of if I move her down here it may not work what are we going to do so I came back to Michigan got back with that company that I was with, and started working there again I was working there almost a year April first comes along and they call me in the office and they’re like, hey were having layoffs the first time in probably the seven years I was there plus three years prior so like ten years they’d never had a layoff and they were like we are having layoffs and we are laying off the two newest guys the two lowest guys on the totem pole in each department and they hammered me because they looked at me even though I was there eight/ seven years I left for six months and then came back so technically I was only there less than a year. They basically took all my seniority away looked at it like that, so yeah they laid me off and it was crazy because it was something, like I didn’t leave on my terms so it was like everything went to hell in a hand basket in a sense so, it kind of made me nervous because I really didn’t have a full platform to stand on once I got out so you know it was kind of a struggle for a little bit. I started work with my father in law in the same field and I love doing the work with him now, it’s a different atmosphere and it’s actually fun again.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] So things worked out in the end?
[Van Shumake] Yeah definitely I’d say 8 to 9 months later
[Daniel Eric Bowling] What hindsight does is amazing!
[Van Shumake] Definitely and it’s funny because I started working for my father-in-law because that company that laid me off they actually called me and wanted me to come back because they were bringing a few people back and they wanted me to come back. When I told my father-in-law, who actually this company is a competitor of my father-in-laws’ company so when I reached out and told him he basically told; no you’re not going back there, you’re going to come over here and work for me and then I said your shop is like its nothing I’ve done and he’s like come over here we’ll train you you’re not going back over there. So I came to his shop and ever since, and sort of digressing with that it’s sort of how it happened when I got out of the military. When I separated from the military I had problems adapting to civilian life. I was going through jobs, at the time I was dating, my wife now, but we were dating then, and I was going to go back in service because that was the only thing I knew so I got the order to go back in the service I had the opportunity and my father-in-law reached out to me and said consider working with me, last chance sort of thing, because he didn’t want me to take his daughter away so he is like why don’t you try working with me, you know I’ll teach you the trade and we’ll go from there, if you like it you do, if you don’t you know, at least you tried. Well I ended up working for him for five or six years and so he kept me out of the service.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Well sounds like he cares for you and his daughter!
[Van Shumake] Yeah probably his daughter more
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Well we’ll say you also
[Van Shumake] Yeah, yeah, definitely we’ve got a good relationship now, we’ve had our moments but he’s definitely helped me out in some of the things that I’ve learned, and some skill assets, and has helped me grow from getting over the military like I said from having trouble adapting and everything.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Any advice for somebody that has just went through a layoff?
[Van Shumake] I’d say don’t jump into something because you feel you need to, there is that opportunity of say unemployment it’s not the end all be all, a lot of times it’s all blessing more than a curse. With me it was a blessing because yeah it stressed me out that I got laid off and I was not able to leave on my terms but it put pushed me out of a job that I didn’t want, it basically pushed me out of the nest and forced me to do something else that I wanted to do but I always had that fear of doing because the money was so good. I mean you can do it and you kind of have to step back and don’t jump into something just because you feel you have to and that’s why it goes back to skill like you were talking about with the trade and the skill set that that you have I mean you always have to have something like Seth Godden says, you have to be the linchpin you have to be able to do something that can translate somewhere else so you got to always be able to do something don’t be one-dimensional.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And if you aren’t carrying the skill sets with you into the business find your foothold as quickly as possible and make yourself the linchpin.
[Van Shumake] Definitely, definitely, always been learning. I found, myself, before I started working with my father-in-law the first time I got out of the military, I was in the infantry in the military, I had skill set basically that didn’t translate in the real world in the civilian world other than law enforcement or something of that nature so I had to learn something so with me I decided that I had to be an adult. I had to grow up so I had to always be learning something I went back to school and learnt different things. I was self-taught especially with graphic design and different things you always have to be learning because your competition is learning so you got to be doing something as well you just can’t sit still.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Very well put, Dwain are you still there?
[Dwain Scott] Man the fly is dead and I am back
[Daniel Eric Bowling] How would you do it?
[Dwain Scott] A book.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Nice, what book?
[Dwain Scott] It was actually follow the Learner it’s a lean culture book for lean manufacturing
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Are you currently reading it?
[Dwain Scott] No, it just happened to be right here on the bookshelf in front of me
[Van Shumake] No chopsticks Daniel son?
[Dwain Scott] No chopsticks, I leave those in the kitchen, I don’t keep those in the office a.k.a.my bedroom
[Van Shumake] You must have cleaned them off in the kitchen to wash them after the last set of flies you killed.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah you know I have to because I sit on the back porch on these nice humid evenings here in North Mississippi and that’s all I do is I catch flies with chopsticks.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Well that sounds like a good hobby to have
[Dwain Scott] Yeah I am going to start videoing that and putting that on instagram.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Well it’ll be convenient, since they’re flying around your meals that you’re posting.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah that is true since the grill is generally lit in the evenings and some kind of food is out there and that draws them, so yeah definitely have to get a video of that just for you Van.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Well Dwain, if you don’t mind going in this direction you recently are dealing with layoffs as well, do you mind talking about that?
[Dwain Scott] Yes, it’s not a problem at all. The last couple days have actually been rough for me because I knew that the company I work for, at our facility we laid off or notified people that June second would be their last day to work, 16 people are being laid off and the position I am in I get some insider information and I can’t share it at times so the last week or so has been really difficult because I’ve been personally through two layoffs one when I was single and one when I was married and my wife was seven months pregnant so I know the single aspect was so much easier because I could just up and move and do what I wanted but when your wife is seven months pregnant you know and you’re going to know that in two weeks you don’t have a job and no insurance and all that wonderful stuff after you know, they give you a little bit of something here and there, but you know I understand the stress that these sixteen people are going through and I had to sit through multiple meetings today where our plant manager had to sit down and tell people and honestly he’s been battling corporate’s decision to do this for about six months and then finally they pulled the plug on him and said you have no choice but to do it and you know the hardest part Danielle I am looking in these people’s eyes as their finding out in two weeks or less than two weeks they don’t have a job now is there a chance we could call them back like you know van with his company they tried calling him back but he went to work for as father-in-law there is but we build material for the construction industry and it’s down right now you know last one of our biggest customers as far as the distribution centre and that was a third of our business so people can do had an idea what was coming but I don’t care who you are aware you wore or what you’re doing it is hard when you get told in two weeks you’re not going to have a job and in the industry I am in and van a new guise both probably understand that most people in these blue-collar jobs they don’t build a savings like they don’t think about it they think their son security there and are not building a savings are planning for something like this to happen you know out is of these 16 people these are people with 10 years of seniority and less and that that just grabs my heart because I Cadillac and help them I am happy that I am still there and not leadoff and it is I know the struggle I’ve been through it personally like I said twice and I honestly I feel forum it’s pretty rough on me and I know it’s rough on them and a lot of sleep would be lost over the next two weeks we are going to have people that are really down and the only thing I can really explain to everybody is my past situations and that a lot of it is about perspective and mindset and it goes back to the perspective and the mindset that if you look down on it as a negative thing then that’s what you’re going to find is negativity and that’s where your mentality is going to go and when you think about it as maybe it is a positive maybe I am not supposed to be here maybe I am supposed to be doing something else, maybe I have a skill or knowledge in something, or something that I use as a hobby that I can go out and make money with and do something I love and have a passion for like we try to help people with our show and like you’re helping people in the business world doing what you’re doing but it’s a struggle I looked in one girls’ eyes at forty something years old she’s worked at numerous places but she really loved this job, you could tell it and I find myself ten minutes after a meeting having to give her a hug and tell her it’ll be okay and she’s got tears flowing down her cheeks.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] That’s rough I would not be able to do that.
[Dwain Scott] Yes it’s an emotional state but I think one of the things I try to get through to everybody is you’ve got to take care of yourself first, and explaining it like we explain on Shifting Work, we’ve talked to numerous people, and numerous people have shared with us a lot of it is about perspective and how you view things. But you want to take care of you first mentally, and your health first, and that’s where I really focused with it but it’s not the end of the world. Because you could go work for any other company and three months from now you could get laid off again, if you have a passion you want to find that passion, yes find something else don’t just let your rent go and live on unemployment forever as some people attempt to do, but you’ve got to have something in the works at all times and that’s just, my opinion. I am not just sitting around thinking I could get laid off and just not doing anything. You’re already making….a jump forward by listening to Podcast and that’s a big leap you know, jump over and listen to us on shifting work. Listen to God knows how many podcast are out there right now that can help you because there is something that fits you…and you just have to work towards finding it so…I’ll let Van take it from there.
[Van Shumake] Yeah Man, like Dwain touched on it, I mean we both work a nine to five our show is shifting work and you know we’re looking. We’re trying to help people escape the nine to five. We’re not telling everybody to leave your nine to five and tried to find something. I love what am doing and you know, most likely I’ll keep on doing it but I’m also going to you know, you hear it out there, you hear a little word entrepreneur, solopreneur, sidepreneur…I like doing other things, I love staying busy, I use to, I use to sit around and emerge myself and you know TV shows and, and stuff that didn’t matter and then you know in, in the year mid 2000’s when the economy started crashing and you know people were having problems, layoffs, some people losing house and stuff. It sort of opened my eyes that WOW! That could happen to me, I have to straighten up. I have to try to do something. So I acted on my passion and started doing things that I love, started you know dealing with my creativity that’s when I picked up graphics design and you know further, you know got into emerging business and doing stuff on my own because you have to realize that you have to build your own empire no-one is going to build it for you, you’re going to go to a nine to five but easily that place can shut their doors they can lay you off they could do whatever. So you have to eat what you killed and that’s basically what it comes down too.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] That’s very well put. So I know both of you listen to a lot of podcast s and audio books. Can you tell me one audio book recommendation or book recommendation? I say audio book because I never read I only listened.
[Van Shumake] Dwain and I talked about it all the time the commuter college. I don’t listened to the radio that much anymore its always podcasts, audio books, it’s something in my car you know, that it makes the drive go I’m learning you know, I constantly listen to go-pro from Eric Worre but if you’re dealing with you know, I don’t have money to do this, I don’t I don’t have time to do this. I think the biggest thing that open my eyes you know at 10 years ago and I wished it would have been long before that was ‘Dave Ramsey Total Money Make over that would definitely help people get their finances straight and realize it’ll free up money that you have, that you didn’t think you have and I mean that again that’s, that’s a huge book for me.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] I think that’ll be a great place to start for many people that just feel stuck. Dwain I don’t know what you’re playing with but you have any book recommendation besides the one you just killed the fly with?
[Dwain Scott] Yeah! I, I honestly I muster in the Lane World, I wouldn’t worried about the follow the work but as far as the book recommendation for somebody getting started the one that always pops up to my head and I love Van talking about Dave Ramsey but thinking Grow Rich, it’s about my inset and I think you have to have that mind set and that’s a great book to start with and if you listen to it on the audio version and it’s from the original book….it’s kind of interesting to listen too as well just for the factor that the references from the 30’s pre-world war two was when this book was written. Is actually kind of intriguing how not much is change in the world even though a lot has changed in the world but that, that’s what I would recommend everybody start with. If you’re going to do a business E-Myth Revisited is another one that I love that kind of change my look on things especially in the modern days, but think Grow Rich would be the one that I would recommend to anybody just start with that, get the audio version and listen to it , in the car, on your commute or you know put your head set in and go work out it’s not going to be a jam and a disturb or something to get your energy level up while you’re working out but its definitely a great book.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] I would agree with all these but personally it seems like one leaded to another and then to the next and then I find myself trying to come back and revisit some of the first ones that got me so inspired.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah and that’s kind of me the last, like Van was talking about listening to Eric Worre, I know he’s been doing that on and off for what? A year and a half Van or so.
[Van Shumake] Yeah
[Dwain Scott] And for thinking Grow Rich I read it last year got the audio version listened to it probably a couple times last year and today I finished it for the third time this year. The audio version I have a 30 minutes one way commute so I can listen to a little bit and it’s just the whole mind set thing that I want to make sure I grasp on, it’s not and it’s not that it’s such an awesome book that I want to listen to over and over because the narrator get such an awesome voice…he really doesn’t, but the content is absolutely amazing and that’s, that’s what I love about my commuter college.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And you nailed it when you said, ‘Mind set’ that’s what am trying to address and to be honest you’re the first interview that I’ve ask for a book recommendation because there’s a lot of people out there that read and they read all the time, am not one of them, but the two of you are normal regular guys still in the trenches so I think that this goes to show you, you’re learning so much and taking so much of value away from it, that’s obviously a good place to start and they should, they should take your words for it.
[Dwain Scott] Well I think that’s one of the one of the big things is if you were to ask me five, ten, years ago how many books did you read this year? I would have probably told you, yeah does play boy counts…it’s not a book but you know I was not a reader. I’d, until I discovered audio books and am talking on cassettes or CD’s that really got me into, I don’t actually have to sat down , you know my eyes are bad anyway, my old age and I don’t want to have to sit here and try to read this book because I got tiny objects syndrome and am going to get distracted, I’m not going to finish it but I commute 30 minutes to work and you don’t have to sit down and get a book and read and read and read. But I will tell you, once you start listening to audio books you’ll be amaze how much more you’re intrigued about actually reading books.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And then it leads directly into podcast and then you just never listened to the radio again.
[Dwain Scott] And honestly if it wasn’t for my wife getting in the car with me occasionally when we take the kids or we’re going somewhere I would problem, I couldn’t tell you half of the new songs that are out on the radio because I just, I don’t listen to it in the car. I like, I like spoken word now and the car is a pose to music. Now when am out in the back yard doing stuff I’ll crank the speaker up put the head phones on while am cutting the grass maybe, maybe listen to a little music but you know for six months I didn’t know that me and my daughter was singing Taylor Swift songs and I was giving comments to constable grief about being Taylor Swift number one fan on Face Book and come to find out I knew the lyrics to all the songs because of my daughter but I didn’t know who it was.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] That’s really funny and you know we would all ride over the facts that you said you actually read the articles on play boy.
[Dwain Scott] Yes, Yes just the articles am not there for the pictures, you know it’s actually one of the most interesting magazines you can read back five, ten, fifteen years ago.
[Van Shumake] Oh yeah
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And you just tape up all the pictures so you don’t have to look at that.
[Dwain Scott] Well yeah you got to cut them out and put them up on the walls so their out of the way.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Smart guy!
[Dwain Scott] Better yet tape them on the ceiling I guess!
[Van Shumake] But I mean, you hear leaders and, and people in the industry constantly about you know am not like, am not a huge reader. I mean I’ll read and all of a sudden am there and you know am off doing something else and but you always hear you know, you wake up the first ten minutes of your day read or read ten pages and you, you can knock out a book that way and with me sometimes I’ll pull out my candle and I’ll read along with the audio book just because there’s something in there maybe I want to high light or want to go back and look at. So I’ll end up doing that but its 90% of the time its, its audio books in DVD or CDs in the vehicles or a podcast. I mean because am always learning, I always want to learn from someone else, doing something and or someone that has blaze the trail that I want to down.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Yeah, I personally am not a very fast reader but that’s one of my goals for this, for this rest of this year as I want to kind of incorporate reading and get a little better and faster at reading cause I really struggle with the concentration being able to finish the pages actually holding onto that information.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah, and that’s, that’s a big thing right there Daniel, its retaining it you know, and that’s, that’s where I, I think for me the audio version helps me retain it so much better but I, there is one saying that I love that just, that you know as Van was talking, it kind of came to my mind it’s the wealthiest people in this world don’t have TV’s they have Libraries. You know and that, that says a lot about the mindset that people are able to advance themselves and in life is they actually read, and when people tells me…’I don’t have time to read, I don’t want your commute’ you know you get an audio book go to you know audiobooks.com or audiblers or one of these place where you can, whichever one that, that Daniel has an Affiliate Link for and go, go to those places and get one book, it doesn’t have to be, you know, it can be a Sci-Fi book or something but fill your mind with something different to get your mind moving and get your mind going as oppose to mind melting in front of the bachelor or something like dancing with the stars for six weeks.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And that would be audiobooks.com, you can get to my page and grab the link. It’s actually the one thing I do use quite a bit.
[Dwain Scott] I do like audio books they have a great selection but I recommend to anybody that in it and I recommend this for most people in the blue colored world because we’re not know for readers cause once, am telling you, you’re going to get addicted once you start listening to audio books you’ll find yourself reading and then take Vans, Van method of get up read ten pages you know it doesn’t take long to read ten pages and before you know it you’ve got a whole book done and you would want to read something else because as you grow when your mind grows, you’re going to be surprise how much more you want. You just, you reach out you want so much more knowledge.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] I come from a world of tradesmen and I think because of so much like everybody around me be creative, that I made it to 28 to 29 to, probably 28. Two years ago not to make you guys feel old but I’m about to turn thirty. I made it that far into my life before I realize I severely have like ADD. Not what threw me off was not the ADHD I was never that hyper active but the diagnosis of it and not even nearly the medication but changing my own habits has helped me so much but I’m not able to retain like when am reading if there’s anything going on so as to my surroundings and changing all these things that allows me to take in the information and hold it but the creatives around me are all struggling in the same ways. So I know a lot of people that would really love to learn. But they to say ‘I don’t read’ and I know why they don’t read but if they just would take our advice on this one thing, they would get addicted to the learning aspect of it and I’ve already found podcasts if they’re listening to this so they’re not going to be prim-hard to convince but I really think that this is huge to just start learning from others and surround yourself with those five people that you want to be the sum of.
[Van Shumake] Yeah. Definitely I mean Dwain touched down it before, you know ten, fifteen years ago you know. I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t read anything unless it was you know something sports related and now am constantly doing that, am constantly, reading something or learning something and you know, I’m at work, I dealing, I, I work in a small shop that has like twenty people. The goal nature is forty now which I fell is the new eighty two but I mean that what my body tells me but there’s one guy that I’m at work with a lot that he and I have great intelligent conversations and about you know everything and then there’s a group of people that’ll sit around us and they won’t know where Mount Saira Bracie is, or where, you know where the Atomic Bomb hits but they will recite sons of Anarchy till they’re bloom in the face and then you sit there and you talked to them and they’ll ask you. You know…what, what you’re doing?, what, you know, how come you always talk about, you know business this, business that, you know what you are doing on the side and you know, you sit there and you try to tell them and they like…’I just don’t have time to do that’ and I’m like we leave work at 5:30, what do you do from 5:30 to the time you go to bed at mid-night or whatever?….’I watch TV, I do this, I do that’…I mean it’s just that it’s a constant struggle of you trying to tell people. You have the time; you just have to want that time.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] They’re obviously trying to fill their time with something so, maybe they just need to be introduced to a new form of entertainment which would be learning.
[Van Shumake] Say, that’s what am doing, I, I got some of these cats listening to the shifting work podcast you know I’m, I’m kind of spreading the news. You know one person at a time and you know it’s, it’s different you know, you seeing some of these guys come up and they’re like…’hey’ you know ‘I listened to you, you know, I’ve listened to the last three of your podcast’, listen that you know it starts to open people’s eye you know but me being forty you know, I wish my twenty year old self had the internet a lot not youtube because I, you know, I’d probably get in trouble but you know if I had the internet, if I had technology how would I have, you know back then I mean it definitely would helped me.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] What’s your take on that Dwain?
[Dwain Scott] I have no response. Now I just, I’m kind of with Van the same way. I would have been further off and I like what you said about you know…’a new hobby of learning….it, I think that rocks. But I would definitely say that it’s amazing once you get going what you see and then looking back like Van said… 25 ago… Man AOL Dial-Up internet. I would have rocked the world. If I had the speed I have the time not with that. Because it’s, it’s amazing the knowledge I can gain in two seconds and of course it’s also amazing that the knowledge people can gained in two seconds by googling it, instead of actually learning it. But I, I love the aspect of changing myself from a guy that was get home from work take a shower sat down in front of the TV, you know maybe cook dinner and then sat in front of the TV and watch TV because am doing two things. I’m, am educating myself but am also educating my kids. They’re seeing me want to sat down in my recliner when my daughter in my arms or in my laps and reading a book. I mean there’s been numerous books that I have read, that are, that are business related, that are motivational related that my daughter would say….’daddy can you read to me?’ and am like…’you want me to read one of your books or this?’…’well you’re reading that, read it to me’. You know, so I’m doing something for my daughter whether she’s going to hate that kind of stuff later in life…I don’t know or she’s going to love it but, but our moments it might be one of her books and it might be one of my books but am teaching her that it is okay to read either. My parents weren’t readers, their parents weren’t readers but I want my kids to see that and know that there’s nothing wrong with wanting to learning and grow.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] And you know, there’s probably with any luck with anybody listening to this probably it’s going to be somebody younger and in their twenties and you’re saying you wish you could talk to your mid-twenties or early twenty self?…well it’s not too late for these people if they actually listen to somebody that’s been there and done that to start now and take a your advice now.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah, and that’s, I think that’s a big, big part of it because I have that ability now too, to tell that twenty year old and to tell him “hey get off your duff, turn the TV off, start taking action now”. First of all I would tell a twenty year old right now, I am forty, I would tell somebody twenty years younger than me read a Dave Ramsey book and, and start living that way, start working towards financial freedom there and then start to focus on what you want to do, what you want to be, and educating yourself gaining the knowledge and becoming an expert in what you want to do. There’s plenty of twenty year old out there that if they, they’re listening to this show they’re already taking some action but the key is take action and start moving forward now at a young age. Don’t have regrets that you didn’t do it younger but take Van’s advice read Dave Ramsey, take my advice rethink and grow rich…get every audio book that’s related to what you want to do. Every time you’re in the car and you’re with your twenty year old friends and on the listen to Taylor Swift put in an audio book and educate them too cause…”hey, you’re the driver, you’re in control”.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Tomorrow you’ll be another day older.
[Dwain Scott] Only one day though
[Daniel Eric Bowling] One day but then you add them all up at least 365 is a year and then there’s only so much you can learn from Taylor Swift.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah and that’s the thing, you know outside of, of a few people that’s the thing is there is so much knowledge to be add live Van said if we would have had this back then, you know, the technology, now there’s so much knowledge to be added, so much knowledge to be shared but I would say don’t just jump on somebody website and take it for what it’s worth, what, what’s written don’t jump and look at something, research it and, and improve what you’ve learned from them you might find that, that their actions are wrong and you find something better and you can educate them on it. You know, never hesitate to grow as a person. If you’re young, you know, I know you’re probably just got out of high school, you’re still in college and you don’t want to have to read…that’s what audio books are great for.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Alright well we’re going to call it a day right now because I’m going to have you guys back on and I would love to be a repeat guest on yours as well. In future episodes I would like to talk a little about your comments on college and the next step for young kids out there cause I think we’re onto a bigger subject right now that we don’t have time to him on today so please tell me you’re going to start recording from your summer break you’re going to get back to it and start putting some new episodes.
[Van Shumake] We’re going to get on it.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah, yeah there’s going to be some small changes with what we’re doing nothing major we’re still going to be interviewing people like you that are out there in the trenches that understands what it’s like and yeah we’re coming back and we’re going to be minimizing the show from twice a week to once a week but we’re trying to build up the right people and bring the right people on and make sure that its affecting our listeners in a positive way.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Coming back with a vengeance quality over quantity, well yeah that’s what I meant by vengeance, yeah use that big word. I’ll have to google that but that was a big word.
[Dwain Scott] And Van’s going to, that’s going to be his new opening line…”HIS VENGEANCE IS MINE”!!!
[Van Shumake] Yep, yep
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Alright well tell them where they could find you and we’ll let you go. Dwain where can they find you?
[Dwain Scott] Well am in Mississippi just South of.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] No exactly your address, I want to know your address so we can find you.
[Dwain Scott] Everybody if you drive to Ornando Mississippi home of Ornando Dos Santo, not really….it’s actually named after Ornando Do Santo and there’s your history lesson a day 23 years old…go find out who that was. You can find us you know we’re on face book, we’re on twitter shifting work…type it in anything, go listen to the show, like comment you know all that fun stuff. You know you can find me on face book just DWAIN SCOTT. Am happy to connect with anybody on a personal level and I’m on histogram something I guess, I don’t know my histogram I think it’s Dwain Scott….but am on there all the time but if you search DWAIN SCOTT on most social media again DWAIN SCOTT (spelt out) most people spelled the first name wrong, you know, you can find me you know you can always jump over there and check us out at revampshiftingwork.com, right Van?
[Van Shumake] Yes sir, Yes sir am a take that off of mute, with me its everything am a social media monk I love it Instagram, face book, twitter, all that Van Shumake that’s VAN SHUMAKE (spelt out) facebook- am one of them, I go by my alter ego, Facebook.com/mistervantastic, you know, I got to separate myself you know, yeah that’s what I do, get a hold of me, get a hold of Dwain, shifting work, we have fun with what we do and I would definitely love to talk to people because I’m sure they’re trying to reach out to us, like I tried to reach out to other people and try to learn and try to better myself and tried to find different avenues of growth.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] It’s great you guys have established yourselves as authority figures and experts, which am happy to connect with you and am happy to have you as a resource for my listeners because it is hard to reach some people that actually give a shit too connect back with you. So thank you for offering to connect.
[Van Shumake] Definitely, always here.
[Dwain Scott] Oh yeah, that’s what it’s about.
[Van Shumake] Yeah definitely and that’s what we say on our show, Dwain says it all the time once you join the show you’re a friend for life and, and because we’re resources to each other, you never know what you’re going to need or where you can point someone in a direction that’s going to need something from someone.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Well great, when you guys get back at it I will be happy to help in any way I can. In fact I’ll be going to the podcast movement at the end of July, so I’ll be meeting a lot of new people.
[Dwain Scott] Awesome, Yeah definitely we need to get because you moved since we talked, things changed a little bit for you. We got to get you back on the show so, so let’s get that worked out and that’s my great dane in the background if you can hear that.
[Van Shumake] Everyone is getting restless…
[Dwain Scott] Yes they are..
[Daniel Eric Bowling] I hear kids, I hear dogs; I have dogs…I don’t know what’s going on..
[Van Shumake] Yep mine are sleeping, Dwain’s clearly are awake.
[Dwain Scott] Well the kids just got home from vacation bible school, it sounds weird but they do night vacation bible school here.
[Van Shumake] Nice
[Dwain Scott] Yes they are..
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Mega convenience for the kids, so they don’t have to skip work.
[Dwain Scott] Yeah, yeah you know it makes it easier on them. What are we worrying about kids for, they don’t have work.
[Van Shumake] (laugh) Yeah. Whatever, they have a life.
[Dwain Scott] Yes they do. If the dogs don’t have the life, the kids definitely do.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Alright, we got a new ups coming about taking your dogs to the (inaudible).
Well thank you guys for having me.
[Van Shumake] Yes sir, and I can tell you all about it.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Well thank you guys for joining me.
[Van Shumake] Yep, thanks a lot man.
[Dwain Scott] Yes, thank you for having us man we really appreciate it.
[Daniel Eric Bowling] Hello, you smart trades men, welcome back. I have the feeling that, that is not the last time that we will hear from those two. They are such great guys and they are looking to help and they are working towards the same thing that we are so. I really look forward to continuing that relationship. If you need to know how to get a hold of them you can find all that information in the show notes. And as I said before the conversation started if you are a business owner of a service based business or you know of one that needs help. Getting unstuck and just ready to just rock it this next year, then email me at email@example.com. You could call me or text me 51366334727 and I prefer text. If you happen to call me, leave a message and I will get back to you. So thank you again for joining me for today’s episode of Smart Tradesmen as always, progress is better than perfection. So get out there and get started, I am out of here. See you.