Erik Harrison joins me on a blab session to talk leadership and self improvement within the construction industry. His background is in electrical contracting, and he now hosts the podcast New Construction Leader.
Here is the link to the Blab Session: Click Here
Points of interest:
- Erik Harrison introduces himself
- What brought him to the personal development path
- How personal development led to professional development
- The New Construction Later podcast
- The challenge of making podcast listeners stay
- His advice for somebody starting out in the construction industry
- His advice for someone who’s made bad decisions and wants to make a difference
- The importance of having the right mindset
- Book recommendations
- Where to find Erik
- Mindset by Carol Dweck
- Drive by Daniel Pink
- It’s Your Ship by Michael Abrashoff
- The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy
Links/Contact info mentioned:
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Daniel Bowling: Yes and welcome to another episode of the Smart Tradesmen podcast. I am your host Daniel Eric Bowling very excited to be here. It is been a little bit since my last episode, there is been crazy flooding down here in South Carolina people have lost homes and their lives. Luckily we are up on a hill we have been staying dry but I want us all to remember the families that have been affected in our thoughts and in and our prayers. Because this is a devastating time in their lives. I just want to say it’s good to be back I’m excited to announce a new addition to the Smart Tradesman podcast. There is a new thing called blab it’s a video service where I can interview people online up to 4 people at once including myself and you the listeners can actually view it live and interact and ask questions. So I will be announcing the dates and times of my future recordings when I do use blab so that you can come on and interact during an episode. Today’s episode is my first run at a live recording. The quality level isn’t great but I know what I need to do to make it better so if you just bear with me through this episode I’m sure that you enjoy the content just overlook the quality. Without further ado here is my today’s guest, talk, leadership, self improvement, podcasting and electrical contracting.
Alright, joining us today is Eric Harrison. Jump in and just tells us about yourself when you are done drinking your tea.
Erik Harrison: My tough guy tea? Cool my name is Erik Harrison. I am an electrician by trade and I am currently a form and working for a large electrical contractor Cupertino electric in the Silicon Valley in California. I have 3 kids and a wife and what else could I tell you about me? I’m pretty pumped about personal and professional development and I really enjoy that and that has been a great thing for me in the last couple of years and really helps me to excel my life and my career. And so that’s kind of what I am all about.
Daniel Bowling: I know a lot of us in the construction industry don’t really necessarily think about personal development so what started you on that path?
Erik Harrison: Great question. I think that is really relevant because I think there is a lot of people in construction who just work as hard as they can to excel and move forward in their careers. I had a gentleman come in and speak to my company I will give his name. His name is Mark Roselyn and he is an author, speaker and he is actually the CEO of a construction association called United Contractors Association. He came and spoke to my company specifically about leadership, construction, training and professionalism and I never sat in at a talk like this before and when he started talking about training and lack thereof in a construction industry. It just really perked my attention because I was in that place in my career where I had just become a foreman and I just learning to manage people and run a crew and manage all aspects of construction that can be tough. And so I was struggling pretty bad and so when he started talking about training and lack thereof I was all ears and his talk was great and it just kind of started me in this.
Well, so first of all I started reading some of his books and really absorbing that content about professionalism and saying ourselves as more than construction workers as real professionals. He talks about things like how we manage so much money and assets and we are in charge of people and far more than just the dirty, grimy construction worker that people think when they hear construction and sometimes we even think of ourselves when we think we are just regular blue collar construction workers. But what he said was that he tries to give back to the industry and mentor people and I was like wow I have to jump on that train because I need some help. What was going on for me at that time was I was just struggling, I was really running around and I am saying like a chicken with my head cut off. I was not very organized, I was trying to manage this crew and manage materials and manage information and I was just really stressed and that was not a really happy career for me at that point.
And so when he said that he mentors people I really needed some help and wanted some help so I asked him to mentor me and he did and so during that time we sat down for breakfast about once a month and he just gave me books to read and he really opened my eyes to the fact that professional development starts with personal development. So if you want to advance in your career there are some other areas in your life that you really need to shore up – your life at home, your relationships, your finances and your health. And so as we started moving forward and he was giving me all this stuff to do I started being mindful of those kinds of things. So, that’s really how I got into the personal development of being really involved and really pumped for lack of better word about developing myself into the best version of myself that I can be it is kind of career driven.
Daniel Bowling: How did that spill over into your professional development? And also what led you to give back and help the people come up with you?
Erik Harrison: I have always been kind of service, I don’t want to say always actually I am a pretty selfish and self centered individual and that is one of the things that I really have to work on in my personal development. But gosh long back story. How much time do we have?
Daniel Bowling: As long as we need.
Erik Harrison: So I will be as transparent as I can. I got sober when I was 21 and I know if you knew that we may have talked about that at some point in time. But I don’t drink because I have a tremendous issue with consuming alcohol and as I got sober some of the steps of doing so is being of service and trying to not be so selfish and self centered all the time which kind of caused me to drink. And so that is kind of where the service attitude I truly believe that helping other people get everything that they want him life is like box with Ziggler’s quote get everything that they want in life in order to get all the things that you want in life. And so, and I know that to be true and I know that when I help people and one on the service that I feel better, I feel happier, I have more of a fulfilled life and so I definitely want to help other people in the way that I have been helped. Because like I said as I got sober I had tons of men who really helped me to open my eyes and pull my head out of my ass for lack of a better term. Because I just did not know how to be an adult, I did not know how to be a man and I had so many guys who really helped me and taught me so many valuable lessons about being accountable and doing what you say you are going to do and showing up when you say you’re going to show up. And how to be in a relationship and how to be a father and so I would really like to provide that same sort of valuable information and then you know moving forward as Mark helped me tremendously on opening my eyes up to. There is so many things that you can do to further your career rather than just be the guy that’s just sweating out there every day working as hard as you possibly can. Now that is valuable and that is great and I strive to do that as well but there is also so many things that you can do to give yourself the edge on a personal level during your off time. Did that answer that question that was kind long waited?
Daniel Bowling: Yeah, I think that you covered why you so fit tip to start giving back and help other people and that’s only spills over into your work life and it is funny because I do see that personal and professional every aspect of your life is all connected so if you are unbalanced to one area you are going to be unbalanced in another.
Erik Harrison: That is right. How could you be like guy that is just supposed to be a great leader of work if you are the foreman you are in charge of a mega million dollar construction job and you are supposed to be this high level leader. But you are tearing things down at home, your kids hate you, you get home you kick the dog, your finances, you are in so much debt that you are about to go under. I mean it is just all one in the same, right, if I want to lead people I want to have be a good example of life to lead an effective team and an effective project and so I believe in that a lot.
Daniel Bowling: So you try to have a balanced life and you want to give back. So what is the vehicle you are going to use to help other people? Tell us about your new venture.
Erik Harrison: So, yes I started a podcast here it is called the New Construction Leader podcast and that’s all about just that helping people to develop personally and professionally and interviewing the top industry leaders in construction to find out how it is exactly that they have become successful. So we talk about tips and strategies for productivity, time management, I am striving to get some speakers, and professionals, some authors, some leadership professionals on the show to share those tips with us about how to develop yourself into the person that you want to be and need to be in your life and career.
Daniel Bowling: That is awesome, do you know of many people on the job site that are listening to podcasts if you find yourself having to tell people what podcasts are?
Erik Harrison: I definitely have, I definitely find myself telling people. There are the slight few who are technology savvy I guess who do know what podcasting is but I definitely have to share links with people and say hey I’m doing the same thing check this out. One of the things that I described to people is how much valuable content I have gone from podcast and I kind of tell them about the entertainment value there’s all kinds of podcasts out there. But if you would and if you are interested check out this one that I am doing and so it is a little bit of a struggle and I’m working on building an audience and finding people who are interested in what we are talking about.
Daniel Bowling: Do you think it will get easier? Do you think we are a head of the curve and as far people know what podcasting is and our space because our audience is hard to reach?
Erik Harrison: I think it is a challenge we are definitely ahead of the curve I mean when new technology comes out, new apps and new websites. It is not very hard to figure it out, click on this, tap on this, you have already got the podcast app on your phone or just download this Stitcher app from the Android Market or whatever. So it is not too hard to get them on it seems like the challenge is getting them to stay interested or wanting to listen on a continual basis. A lot of the old mentality in our industry isn’t one that is necessarily striving to better themselves or learn more and I don’t want to like stereotype but that is just been my experience.
Daniel Bowling: I would say, it gets better. I think we are ahead of the curve because we are not after that guy that is already set in his ways.
Erik Harrison: Right
Daniel Bowling: Not going to listen to you anyways but the new generation of construction workers know what podcasts are and they will know what podcasting is and they do listen to them. So that 18 year old just coming into the field as one that needs to hear your message so I’d say, keep it up.
Erik Harrison: Right, absolutely I totally will and if nothing else podcasting and building a website and doing all that stuff has helped me so much to learn new things, learn how to use technology, I mean I am a field guy I work with tools and not computers necessarily. I mean a little bit more now that I’m in a leadership position but so all of this stuff regarding technology and website and podcasting and has been a real tremendous learning experience for me which has been a positive. If I don’t use it for anything other than just having some valuable conversations for my own benefit I’ve learned so much so and there is a lot to that I have learned how to also try to manage my time effectively as I said I got 3 kids. So I get home from my job which I generally get home at around 4 or 5. I leave in between 5 and 5:30 in the morning and as soon as I get home I’m playing with my kids. So then we have dinner and then we do the regular nightly routine and so I don’t get to jump on the computer and work on my podcast for my website until 8 or 9 o’clock and then I maybe get an hour. So trying to manage my time on the weekends to get a little bit of work in that is why you and I are chatting here at 6 o’clock so that the kids are still asleep you might see them walking down the stairs here and not too long but just some time management stuff. And just going to have some really cool conversations with some interesting people has been really awesome.
Daniel Bowling: You definitely get free coaching sessions with people that you get on to interview
Erik Harrison: Sure
Daniel Bowling: Things that are valuable and then other people that listen to you may not necessarily want to do podcasting. But the facts that you figured it out and that you’re doing what you want to do is inspirational to them so don’t be afraid to share your journey with them because they don’t mind I want to be podcasting. But there is something they want to do that they will find inspiration and the fact that you just put your head down and figure it out.
Erik Harrison: Yeah, absolutely one of the things that I wish I would have, well I don’t really wish I would have. I don’t know how I could have done it any differently but one the most valuable lessons that I learned was to just kind of raise my hand and do the uncomfortable thing and really walk through the fear. I mean I suffer from this imposter syndrome tremendously where I never feel good enough. One of the things that was going through my head as I was early in my foreman role was that eventually this company is going to figure me out. They are going to find out that I’m not good enough, that I don’t even know what the hell I am doing and they’re going to get rid of me which isn’t true. But that was what was going on in my head and really kind of held me back and so podcasting I mean this is definitely isn’t something that a lot of people in the industry are doing and so it is the uncomfortable thing to do and I’d like to try to set myself apart in different ways and this is a really good way to do it.
Daniel Bowling: So, in the very first episode I gave away my number and I refer to it every now and then and ask people to text me, don’t necessarily call me because I have a phobia of answering my phone. I would check my voicemails but text me and let me know what you are going through and where you at and I have had a couple people text me. And one guy in particular 18 I think his name is Danny, hi Danny if you are listening he is going to school for HVAC and also has business on the side. He is considering giving up one of the other and just listening and keeps sticking with both and ready to take a lot from the episode so I reached that one person.
Erik Harrison: That is awesome
Daniel Bowling: That was amazing, so what advice do you have for somebody just starting out that doesn’t know they are just looking at it as a construction job? They don’t know what the future could hold so what advice would you have for that person?
Erik Harrison: Well I think that figuring out what is possible. When I got into my career it was a union apprenticeship and so when I got in I knew I knew I was in for a long haul because it took me a long time to get in and it was a long program. And once I got out into the work force I saw the older guys who had been there for years who are living a decent lifestyle and had a pretty good standard living. And so at that point I really understood that this was more than just a job that people were in here for the long haul.
So, understand what your opportunities are in construction the sky is the limit I mean you can manage, you can work with the tools, you can be an installer, you can be a foreman, you can be a general foreman, you can be a superintendent, project manager, you can run your own company, you can be a sales rep for a company. There are so many possibilities out there for what you can do so what I would tell people is get yourself set up for success. One of the things that I saw when I was coming into my apprenticeship was people were finally making money so they would buy the biggest, bad ass trucks driving at the parking lot. And here I was a 19 year old father so I have the smallest crappiest car in the lot and what I might tell people is make sure that you are kind of setting yourself up for financial success. Find a financial course, find somebody who is really going to show you how to manage your money and budget your money and then start holding in your skill and your trade. Start absorbing everything that you can and I am really into putting in the extra effort towards what I am working on. So if I am brand new in a trade or something I want to see if there’s any other material that I can consume to give me the advantage in my trade and in my craft so that I can learn faster be better.
So take maybe 10 minutes a day to learn a little bit extra on what you are doing and build good work habits. I am one of those guys that still struggle sometimes with getting up early so a lot of people told me when I was new, show up a few minutes early and stay a few minutes late and show that you really want to be there. And so get up with enough time so that you are not just jamming out the door and speeding like hell just to get to the job site the minute you start. Give yourself some time and set yourself up some good work habits that way that kind of stuff has been really valuable for me and I wish I could absorb that information as I was being told early on they have helped me.
Daniel Bowling: I heard the same things I would still 2 or 3 minutes late to the job site every day. It is not like 2 minutes late I could be no 5 minutes early consistently but it has pushed the limit. Sitting around in my house all of a sudden running out the door but I will just stay as late as you need it is just a struggle getting there on time and I think a lot of younger kids got that same problem.
Erik Harrison: But that can’t be a problem. That definitely can be a problem. I still struggle with it but there’s times where I can get to the job site an hour early and get immersed in my day and I think sometimes that’s part of being in charge and being the leader is you got to get there a little bit early and make sure that if you haven’t thought of the day before I make sure that you really got yourself short up. So that when the people get there they can hit the ground running and be productive and a productive workforce I think is really a happier workforce. So don’t necessarily have to get to work an hour early but just showing that little extra effort to the people that you are working for that having a positive attitude goes a really long way.
Daniel Bowling: Yeah, caring about being there is very important and talking about you said talking about little bit of money one got cars as my military friends used to tell me it is called being car poor. They got a little bit of money in their pocket and all the bills as a young kid even in construction. I mean I am going to go buy a big truck, I got a car payment and I regret it for years but the moment I started thinking about rather than today just thinking about 5 years in advance. Then it wasn’t just a job anymore I started thinking about my finances different, started planning a little bit further out in advance I think but hopefully you reach one of those 18 year old kids out in the car lot of thinking about making a terrible decision. So spend that money in personal development and then you will tenfold thank yourself later.
Erik Harrison: Yeah, yeah do that later. I forgot what I was going to say. I live in California everything is so expensive in California whether you are car poor or house poor or whatever just tried to make some wise financial decisions that is really important for the long-term.
Daniel Bowling: But we talked about…
Erik Harrison: Getting yourself in debt is just terrible
Daniel Bowling: We talked to the kid just starting out, what about somebody that’s already made the bad decisions without or seeing light that they need to change but they have the extra 100 bucks a month that’s it but they want to make a difference. Where would they need to focus on for is to start moving forward and making better decisions?
Erik Harrison: I think the biggest challenge there is getting over the mental hurdle, right, when you see yourself you have dug yourself into a huge hole and you only have a small amount to contribute to try to pull yourself out. You have a big mental hurdle to get over because you know for us who I think for human beings who are so into instant gratification and getting what we want right now and for the most part being able to do that nowadays with the internet and credit cards and zero percent financing or whatever. It is easy to dig that hole and want to be instantly gratified to get out so try to get over that mental hurdle it’s going to take time it’s going to take some hard work. Whatever you did to get into that big hole is probably easier that it’s going to be to get out so just relax just know it’s going to be a little bit hard you’re going to have to go without for a little while and you’re going to have to tighten things up. You know the thing is if I would say if we are talking about debt specifically is going to be intentional when I can describe. Be intentional and do everything you can to maybe grab some extra work on the weekends, maybe find some work on the side where you can dig some holes or dig some ditches or whatever your craft is find some things that you can do on the side for a little bit of extra cash and set some goals. Maybe this weekend I want to do one little side job and bring in 2 or 3 or 4 hundred extra dollars. Smash that towards your debt and then start trying to operate that way and before you know it you will be further along than that you thought.
One of the great resources that I found and was suggested to me to do was Dave Ramsey as syndicator radio show and he also wrote a lot of books probably one of his most popular is the Total Money Makeover and I took his Financial Peace University course which just showed me how to manage money really well and budget and kind of get on the same team with my wife as far as our finances go and that made a huge difference in my financial life.
Daniel Bowling: Yeah, I would totally agree. That the point that you made that we are skilled laborers we have a skill set most of us just look at it at putting in hours at a job. But we have a skill that people pay for whatever it is you can be doing it on the side or somehow using your account to make some extra money. So getting over that hurdle in the mind set is key in then realizing you have something that people paid for.
Erik Harrison: Absolutely
Daniel Bowling: And as Mike said in the comments it is very hard to get over the hurdles but mindset I think is the very first step that you have to take is changing your mindset. And they will ask to question, so how do you deal with young people who are used to be told they are great and even when they are not? How do you coach them?
Erik Harrison: I establish that relationship if I have a young person who is being told they’re great all the time but I really see some stuff that needs to change I guess it depends on what our relationship is. If I am his direct boss if I am his foreman or something I may establish and say look dude let’s call him Billy, hey Billy I have noticed some things that I think you need to work on and I would let him know what I’m there for. I am here to show you at the help you’d be as successful as you can possibly be and that’s really my main goal and I will let him know that, hey I may tell you some stuff that may not be the most fun to hear but I really want to see you be happy and successful in your life and career and be as productive as you can be and as valuable as you can be so you have a long and happy career. So I start off there and then I just have a candid conversations with them and try to be kind and loving in that never tell a guy that probably never or tell him that he is not good enough. Just try to be candid in my feedback but kind at the same time and let him know where I think he needs to improve.
Daniel Bowling: Yeah I would like to add to that a little bit too I think that the construction industry especially but probably most industries are filled with managers and not just leaders because I believe there is a difference. So I mean just a (inaudible) (28:21) and tell them that he is wrong isn’t accomplishing anything I might get the job done that day but actually you’ve done more harm than good. (Inaudible) (28:30) relationship and earning their trust and their respect and they need to hear that they you don’t think their perfect because mom at home is telling them that they are…
Erik Harrison: Absolutely
Daniel Bowling: …so when you earn that trust first and about that relationship they will actually listen to you when you tell them like you have got a few things to work on and then…
Erik Harrison: Yes
Daniel Bowling: …you start to get them to start thinking about the future and say this is where you could be but you also got to walk the walk because if you are that guy like you said earlier going home and kicking your dog because you hate your life and be a man to your whole family they are not going to respect you for that. You got to be pretty balanced for them to see that is something to strive for.
Erik Harrison: Absolutely well said I mean I couldn’t agree more. If I am doing everything that I am talking about it is so much easier to portray a valuable message. If I am walking the walk like you say hopefully that person will be a little absorbed, things a little bit easier. But if I yell out, you suck, you are a piece of crap, he is going to go F you guy I don’t care what you have to say about anything. I have had it both ways I have had some really great mentors who I could just tell that they really care and that meant a lot to me and then I have had that guy who is screaming and yelling and foaming at the mouth and spitting in my face as if he is trying to tell me what I am doing wrong. And I am like dude, okay, I don’t give a shit, I don’t care, get away from me. So yeah…
Daniel Bowling: It is not very forward thinking. You know it is not part to me as I see some of these guys at all ages who are so talented but they had never had somebody like just to give them a different perspective on life and there is almost no hope for them really that is what they feel like. And it is really sad because they go home with such talent that they don’t even respect themselves and live a terrible miserable life that they just feel like I am that dirty construction worker. So what is the last word of wisdom that you can share with that person who is at the end of their ropes thinking that there is nothing else for them to do.
Erik Harrison: Just never give up. The most valuable piece of advice that I ever got and I think about it on a daily basis and I probably tell anybody who might want to listen is get back on the horse. Nothing has to be perfect but nothing is going to be perfect and everything is going to take a lot of effort to get to where you want to be but just get back on the horse keeps showing up, keep working and ultimately it will get better I mean I truly believe that and that has been my experience.
Daniel Bowling: Yeah, I think the overall message today is that you have to think have a little bit of forward thinking a little bit and realize outside of this moment you are more than just a construction worker, you are more than just whatever your job title is focus on the skill sets you have and realize that you are way more valuable than society even sees you and find the value from within before you find it anywhere else.
Erik Harrison: Yeah and for me having a growth mind set nothing has to be black and white. If am focused on growing and learning all that I can and being the best that I can be that I have a better attitude. I am happier and I am more fulfilled. It is when I think that if I was only perfect at being a foreman, I was only perfect at managing these people and if all these things align at just the right way and I was just naturally good at this stuff. That just kills my productivity, it kills my joy and my desire to move forward so having a growth mindset is really something that’s been key for me.
Daniel Bowling: Have you read Mindset by Carol Dweck?
Erik Harrison: Oh yeah, changed my life
Daniel Bowling: Yeah
Erik Harrison: I was thinking of it specifically when I said that because I think like I told you earlier I was just afraid a lot of my life has been based on fear and when I read that book or I listened to it rather because listen to most of my books. But it just made so much sense to me and that I didn’t have to feel like I have to be perfect anymore and as long as I put in the effort. Because I was really good at putting an effort it was going to be fine and so that was a great book.
Daniel Bowling: Any other book recommendations?
Erik Harrison: Oh tons, let’s see I have heard a lot of good books recently a lot of them about a business start up.
But as far as like mind set I definitely would recommend another book by Daniel Pink it is called Drive and it’s kind of more on the management, leadership side. It just kind of gives you the inside about what really motivates people and he talks about it as the carrot and the stick motivating people by holding a shiny object in front of their face then and not promising it to him and then when they mess up beating them with the stick. That was a good book that helped me understand what people are really motivated by. Another leadership book is called It’s Your Ship by Michael Abrashoff another great leadership book talks about how he turned a pretty mediocre naval ship into the most battle ready naval ship I think in the in the US. So it is pretty inspiring and really cool and he took a lot of people who weren’t necessarily top performers or nobody really believed in them and just changed the whole mentality and the whole culture of the ship around. So, that is another cool book. One of the ones that I really liked most recently is The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy and that book just really lays it down on a very basic level I mean it is a lot to consume if you were going to take every suggestion that book and try to put it into practice in your life immediately that might get a little bit overwhelming. But he just gives you a lot of great strategies about how to kind of set yourself up for success and whatever stage of life you are in you can you can start doing some of these little things and see some pretty drastic improvement so I definitely recommend The Compound Effect as well.
Daniel Bowling: Yeah, there’s a couple of them I have never really heard of so I will have to check them out.
Erik Harrison: Yeah those are great they are some of the first. I think mindset is one of the first things that I read because I kind of started on this journey for professional development and a couple of those were more focused on the professional leadership aspect. But on my website I am trying to put together a list of resources, books and things for that exact reason so people can know what some of the most valuable books out there are. One of my issues as I kind of ended my time with my mentor was that I ran out of stuff to read there are so much stuff out there in the leadership space, and the personal development space, and the self-help space that you don’t know exactly what the most valuable stuff to read is that I didn’t want to waste time just reading garbage. So I wanted to know what the most valuable stuff was and so the kind of goal for my resources page is to know that, hey I have read this and this is really been invented by me and by countless other people as valuable.
Daniel Bowling: Yeah that is awesome, now if you pay attention to the comments over here. Randy left you a comment, and Eric anybody successfully ever become an addiction and working hard to raise children isn’t an imposter, just saying?
Erik Harrison: Cool, thanks Randy I really appreciate that. Yeah, thank you that means a lot to me.
Daniel Bowling: In that moment it is hard to realize that there is more going on you just felt like an imposter but you shouldn’t.
Erik Harrison: Somebody had me once upon a time because I just had this problem with self-esteem had me write down all the things that I had worked hard at to get to where I am at today and that really opened my eyes to a lot of the negative self talk that was going on with me. So every once in a while I will still do that to give myself a reminder that I am not the piece of shit that I think I am all the time. Sorry if I should not say that.
Daniel Bowling: No, alright that is fine maybe because here it is my podcast. Yeah, tell us where we can find you and then I am going to open up to first the people that had been here the longest and then we will see if anyone else wants to talk.
Erik Harrison: Very nice, you can find me at newconstructionleader.com that is where you will see the website, resources page, there is a little about page, there is a contact form there. If you would like to send me an email or I would give you direct links, email@example.com is my email. Then sign up for the email list if you would like to I will send you as many resources as I can and some tips about how to develop yourself and your career. I am also on Facebook and on Twitter and I am struggling to Facebook I understand pretty well. But I am struggling to kind of get with the program and the other social media settings like Twitter and I am also on Instagram so look at new construction later on any those platforms and you should come across me.
Daniel Bowling: Well, here you go…
Erik Harrison: Or at Twitter app this may not be a parent.
Daniel Bowling: New con podcast
Erik Harrison: There you go bam, thank you very much.
Daniel Bowling: Well, thank you for joining me today. That has been my episode of Smart Tradesmen.
Erik Harrison: Yeah it has been awesome, thanks so much Daniel. I just want to through out there Daniel has really helped me a ton with podcasting and online business and whatnot. So I just want to say thank you to you for always being there for me and helping me so much do you definitely have a servant’s heart as well and I appreciate that.
Daniel Bowling: Now that is a wrap for our first blab for the Smart Tradesman podcast. I’m curious to know what you think about it and if you want to see the video the actual live recording go to blab.im and find me at Danielebowling and there you also be able to see any future recordings that are already scheduled or any replays of ones that I’ve already done. I am not going to use every blab for an episode because we talk about a wide variety of topics but it’s something that is very enjoyable to take part in and be able to jump in with some experts and be able to ask questions and interact. It’s just an amazing piece of technology that I believe is a game changer is far as being able to connect with an audience. So many of you with a local business or a skill set or just the general knowledge you could use blab to connect with customers and answer general questions in a way that you couldn’t do before. So I’m really excited about the way things are going with technology and how we can use them for our own businesses. Let me know if you check it out it is at blab.im that is a kind of a silly name but it’s a cool feature. If you do check it out I’d love to be able to jump in and watch or even join you for a session so shoot me a tweet I guess at Danielebowling or email me at Daniel@smarttradesmen.com. Just reach out to me anyway that you can and let me know that you’re joining blab and you want to do your first lab and I’ll jump on there with you. Kind of break your cherry a little bit I guess I should say pop your cherry your blab cherry. That is all I have for today’s episode but before I go I am going ask you if you have not done so yet go to iTunes or Stitcher leave me a rating and review and that’s the very best way that you can help others find this podcast and this message. Somebody out there needs to be hearing this and that’s how you can help them. So leave me a rating or review and I will love you for it so I will catch you in the next episode of the Smart Tradesman podcast until then good luck in everything that you do I’m out of here see you.